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That's What She Said: What Men Need to Know (and Women Need to Tell Them) About Working Together Kindle Edition
Going beyond the message of Lean In and The Confidence Code, Gannett’s Chief Content Officer contends that to achieve parity in the office, women don’t have to change—men do—and in this inclusive and realistic handbook, offers solutions to help professionals solve gender gap issues and achieve parity at work.
Companies with more women in senior leadership perform better by virtually every financial measure, and women employees help boost creativity and can temper risky behavior—such as the financial gambles behind the 2008 economic collapse. Yet in the United States, ninety-five percent of Fortune 500 chief executives are men, and women hold only seventeen percent of seats on corporate boards. More men are reaching across the gender divide, genuinely trying to reinvent the culture and transform the way we work together. Despite these good intentions, fumbles, missteps, frustration, and misunderstanding continue to inflict real and lasting damage on women’s careers.
What can the Enron scandal teach us about the way men and women communicate professionally? How does brain circuitry help explain men’s fear of women’s emotions at work? Why did Kimberly Clark blindly have an all-male team of executives in charge of their Kotex tampon line? In That’s What She Said, veteran media executive Joanne Lipman raises these intriguing questions and more to find workable solutions that individual managers, organizations, and policy makers can employ to make work more equitable and rewarding for all professionals.
Filled with illuminating anecdotes, data from the most recent relevant studies, and stories from Lipman’s own journey to the top of a male-dominated industry, That’s What She Said is a book about success that persuasively shows why empowering women as true equals is an essential goal for us all—and offers a roadmap for getting there.

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It's great we are talking the talk, but Joanne Lipman's cutting-edge research and razor-sharp advice will help men and women alike start walking the walk (toward a more equitable workplace).
-- "Katie Couric"A sweeping, salient survey of the gender gap in corporate America...A solid start to an essential, gender-inclusive conversation.
-- "Kirkus Reviews"Lipman...makes a bold statement with this important book examining biases favoring men in business...Challenges both men and women to examine their own prejudices and actively reshape work cultures to be more welcoming to women.
-- "Publishers Weekly (starred review)"From the Back Cover
First things first: there will be no man-shaming in That’s What She Said. A recent Harvard study found that corporate “diversity training” has actually made the gender gap worse—in part because it makes men feel demonized. Women, meanwhile, have been told closing the gender gap is up to them: they need to speak up, to be more confident, to demand to be paid what they’re worth. They discuss these issues amongst themselves all the time. What they don’t do is talk to men about it.
It’s time to end that disconnect. More people in leadership roles are genuinely trying to transform the way we work together, because there’s abundant evidence that companies with more women in senior leadership perform better by virtually every measure. Yet despite good intentions, men often lack the tools they need, leading to fumbles, missteps, frustration, and misunderstanding that continue to inflict real and lasting damage on women’s careers.
That’s What She Said solves for that dilemma. Filled with illuminating anecdotes, data from the most recent studies, and stories from Joanne Lipman’s own journey to the top of a male-dominated industry, it shows how we can win by reaching across the gender divide. What can the Enron scandal teach us about the way men and women communicate professionally? How does brain chemistry help explain men’s fear of women’s emotions at work? Why did Kimberly Clark have an all-male team of executives in charge of their Kotex tampon line? What can we learn from Iceland’s campaign to “feminize” an entire nation? That’s What She Said shows why empowering women as true equals is an essential goal for women and men—and offers a roadmap for getting there.
About the Author
Joanne Lipman was until recently chief content officer of the publishing company Gannett and editor-in-chief of its USA Today. She began her career at the Wall Street Journal, where she rose to deputy managing editor, the first woman to hold that post. At the Journal, she supervised coverage that won three Pulitzer Prizes. She later became founding editor-in-chief of Conde Nast Portfolio magazine and Portfolio.com.
Caroline Slaughter is a voice talent and audiobook narrator.
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- ASIN : B0716GZT1P
- Publisher : William Morrow; Reprint, Updated edition (January 30, 2018)
- Publication date : January 30, 2018
- Language : English
- File size : 5.2 MB
- Text-to-Speech : Enabled
- Screen Reader : Supported
- Enhanced typesetting : Enabled
- X-Ray : Enabled
- Word Wise : Enabled
- Print length : 334 pages
- Best Sellers Rank: #695,435 in Kindle Store (See Top 100 in Kindle Store)
- #380 in Women & Business (Kindle Store)
- #484 in Self-Management Self-Help eBooks
- #777 in Business Project Management (Books)
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About the author

Joanne Lipman is author of the No. 1 bestseller THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID and the upcoming NEXT! The Power of Reinvention in Life and Work (HarperCollins, 3/21/23). An award-winning journalist, she has served as Editor-in-Chief of USA Today, USA Today Network, Conde Nast Portfolio, and The Wall Street Journal’s Weekend Journal, leading those organizations to six Pulitzer Prizes. She is an on-air CNBC contributor and Yale University journalism lecturer.
Lipman began her career as a reporter for The Wall Street Journal, ultimately rising to deputy managing editor – the first woman to attain that post – and supervising coverage that won three Pulitzer Prizes. While there she created Weekend Journal and Personal Journal, and oversaw creation of the Saturday edition. She subsequently was founding editor-in-chief of Conde Nast Portfolio magazine, which won Loeb and National Magazine Awards. Most recently, she served as Chief Content Officer of Gannett, where she was Editor-in-Chief of its USA Today and the USA Today Network, encompassing the flagship publication plus 109 metro newspapers including the Detroit Free Press, the Des Moines Register, and the Arizona Republic. In that role, she oversaw more than 3,000 journalists and led the organization to three Pulitzer prizes.
Lipman’s work has been published in numerous outlets including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Time, Fortune, Newsweek and the Harvard Business Review. She has appeared as a television commentator on ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and PBS, among others. She is a frequent public speaker, with engagements including the World Economic Forum in Davos, the United Nations, the Aspen Ideas Festival, TEDx, the International Lean In conference, the Federal Reserve Board, and the Milken Institute Global conference, and has worked with numerous companies on issues of gender equity, diversity and inclusion. She also is co-author, with Melanie Kupchynsky, of the acclaimed music memoir “Strings Attached.”
A winner of the Matrix Award for women in communications, Lipman was the 2019-2020 inaugural Distinguished Journalism Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton. She has served or is currently serving on boards including Yale University Council; the World Editors Forum; the Knight Commission on Trust, Media and Democracy; the Yale Daily News; Spirited Media; the Yale Alumni Magazine (where she served as chair); the Knights chamber orchestra, and the advisory boards of Data.world, Breastcancer.org, The Wire China, and the Yale School of Music. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. She and her husband live in New York City and are the parents of two adult
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Customers find the book well-researched, with one review highlighting its use of historical stories and practical advice. The writing style receives positive feedback, and customers consider it one of the best books on gender issues. They appreciate its readability, with one customer noting it's an important read for both genders, and find it eye-opening, with one review mentioning how it draws readers in with its highly nuanced approach.
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Customers appreciate the research quality of the book, finding it well-researched with good insights, and one customer notes how it combines historical stories with practical observations and advice.
"...Ms. Lipman provides authority for her work. It's part motivational, part handbook, part blueprint, part call to action, part enterprise profit..." Read more
"Exceptionally well-researched. Broad range of research and insights from historical stories..." Read more
"...Written in a breezy, conversational style, it's based on solid research, including academic studies and her own extensive interviews...." Read more
"...she has the ability to convey her thoughts in clear prose, using her sources effectively, from scholarly studies to interviews with colorful..." Read more
Customers find the book readable, with one mentioning it's an important read for both genders.
"This is an important read for both genders. I recommend it to everyone who seeks organizational employment...." Read more
"...However this book still drew me in and made me better understand why gender equality is still a fight and an issue...." Read more
"...Love love, love Joanne Lipman's books!!" Read more
"This book is a good read for anyone who is interested in working in a "co-ed" workspace...." Read more
Customers appreciate the book's approach to gender, with several noting it is the best on the topic, and one customer highlighting how it includes women in the discussion.
"...I love that the takeaway is about BALANCE. It's about including women in the mix, at all levels...." Read more
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"Best book on gender and diversity issues I have ever read - - real tools and examples to use in my day to day work environment...." Read more
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Customers appreciate the writing style of the book.
"...Written in a breezy, conversational style, it's based on solid research, including academic studies and her own extensive interviews...." Read more
"...Wall Street Journal, she has the ability to convey her thoughts in clear prose, using her sources effectively, from scholarly studies to interviews..." Read more
"...Written in Lipman's characteristically brilliant way (please read "Strings Attached" as well!) --..." Read more
"This is a well written, well researched book that provides many examples and anecdotes that help contextualize the realities women face in the..." Read more
Customers find the book eye-opening, with one noting how its highly nuanced style draws readers in.
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- Reviewed in the United States on November 2, 2018This book is a must read for 2018. Joanne Lipman carefully weaves in current brain science research with what will probably be viewed as the seminal case for men and women working together collaboratively in the workplace to make enterprises more efficient and profitable while addressing age old cognitive and other unconscious issues that get in the way and make the workplace less productive. That's What She Said gets beyond the #MeToo movement, salacious stories about sexual assault or wrongful accusations and gets to the meat of what's on the mind of anyone who has worked in a business, NGO or government.
Ms. Lipman provides authority for her work. It's part motivational, part handbook, part blueprint, part call to action, part enterprise profit generator. What its not is another book that "manshames." Her highly nuanced style draws the reader in. The accessibility with which she writes makes her prose jump out at you, grab you and ask you, "can you to just a little more, can you look at things a different way for the benefit of your enterprise?" These qualities make Ms. Lipman's a treat for men and women of all ages, thought provoking without being preachy.
Thank you for your game changing book. That's what she said is a mandatory read for anyone trying to make their workplace or their institutional fiduciary roles more effective and fulfilling.
- Reviewed in the United States on April 17, 2018This is the first time I am writing a book review, despite being a voracious reader. I want to buy multiple copies of this book and give it to all the white male managers who surround me. Over the years I read many books on the subject of gender inequality in the workplace. What always bothered me about the books was the message that women simply have to do more and then they will succeed. I abhor "Lean In" and the preposterous message it sends to women. Some of us have been tilting at windmills for years, with little impact. This book identifies the issue correctly, women are still foreigners in a world run by men. We visit, we contribute, but we are not welcome. The only way to change this is to make the men realize that it is simply more profitable to have us around, to promote us and to pay us. They will not welcome us because of the goodness of their hearts or endless diversity and inclusion training. Only the bottom lines speaks in the corporate world. I enjoyed the book because I found myself in the same type of situations described in the book throughout my career. Not many solutions are offered, and perhaps there is no solution, but at least it was refreshing to read an honest description of the workplace.
- Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2021I bought this book to help me understand challenges of women in the work place, as I am a man.
It did help me understand some of the challenges women face in the professional world, and also academically. It was quite eye opening - and I do recommend the book.
- Reviewed in the United States on February 4, 2018Exceptionally well-researched. Broad range of research and insights from historical stories (about the start of Tupperware and email culture at Enron) to pop culture current events (trending hashtags, recent politics) to surprising studies and academic research.
Very broad range of industries studied — from Obama administration to late night comedy writing rooms to symphony auditions to legal to academia to medical professions.
That’s What She said acknowledges the multi-faceted, seemingly slight, everyday ways that men and women experience work differently. And offers practical ideas on how to stick up for your coworkers.
Lipman, rather than deducing gender inequality down to one root cause, offers hundreds of differences and for each problem offers an array of solutions — from adjusting behaviors to acknowledging injustices to enlisting data and technology to reveal bias. The book felt very modern with the blend of recent research and technological hacks along with their shortcomings
As a result, I finished the book with a mental list of 20+ things I can start doing this week to promote more gender balance and equal opportunity at work. I finished the book with a mental list of 40+ things I want to implement and change when I have more influence at work. Very practical and research-driven.
From the cover, I thought the audience for the book was primarily men, but as a woman, found it very helpful to point out ways I can better champion other women.
- Reviewed in the United States on May 18, 2018Lipman begins by saying her book is not about bashing men. Well, maybe, but maybe not. She certainly points the finger at men as being the problem with regard to the gender imbalances in the workplace. If men would just.... But I think its plausible to wonder if gender inequities are more symptom than problem, The underlying problem seems infinitely more complex -- that is, the way in which boys are socialized to be men by both men and women in this culture. Many boys still are taught in countless ways to admire strength, control, success, winning, and aggression while avoiding all things feminine. It hardly seems surprising that multiple gender inequities in society might follow from these socialization pressures.
- Reviewed in the United States on November 21, 2018As an attorney, author and speaker on equal opportunity, this is the only book I know of written for men about improving men's and women's ability to work together. Written in a breezy, conversational style, it's based on solid research, including academic studies and her own extensive interviews. Yes, she gives space to Google's training efforts, which in retrospect may not have been entirely successful, but I never felt that she was saying "this is the answer." Rather she reports on many new initiatives and asks the reader to consider them. The best parts for me were her suggestions for changing our own personal behavior. Men can notice when they or others interrupt women. Women can support each other's ideas in meetings. I highly recommend this book.
Top reviews from other countries
- T.HarleyReviewed in Canada on July 21, 2019
5.0 out of 5 stars All women need to read!
Excellent! I have bought many copies for all the important women in my life!
- Miss A MusaReviewed in the United Kingdom on March 14, 2024
5.0 out of 5 stars A good read
Insightful and thought provoking
- SCReviewed in Canada on July 6, 2018
4.0 out of 5 stars Great book. Men read it
Great book. Men read it. Women read it. But, it did not change my life or the way I deal with women as I have had female influences all my life that to shaped me.